tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post950074342526646863..comments2024-03-18T21:29:19.210-04:00Comments on Fayfare's Opry Blog: Remembering Carl Butlerfayfarehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00173166778978335059noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post-88215334576929369202011-11-25T09:31:58.795-05:002011-11-25T09:31:58.795-05:00The performing rights socities (BMI, ASCAP, etc.) ...The performing rights socities (BMI, ASCAP, etc.) who pay performance royalties are notorious for holding back funds due to songwriters. The same is true for mechanical royalties ... the labels (record companies) don't pay honesty either and in many cases of major labels, they own the very publishing companies of their own recordings. It is a racket that has been going on for seventy years!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post-81403460617619094152011-09-12T20:26:22.822-04:002011-09-12T20:26:22.822-04:00Well said Fayfare, I also seeing her auction on th...Well said Fayfare, I also seeing her auction on the TV and your right it was like a big party, with none of her music played, I could'nt believe that she actually attended, but the people bounded up to her and got her to sign her things and she willingly did.<br /><br />But nobody helped, well when she was dying in hospital they all started calling to check if she was alright and then when she died you people like Vern Gosdin, Lacosta Tucker, Johnny Cash etc saying I feel a real sense of Lose.<br /><br />But no she should'nt have died the way she died, she suffered all that humiliation and hardship but yet she stayed strong, I'll never forget when I read her say 'You Can Knock Me Down, But You Better Have A Big Rock To Keep Me There.<br /><br />Dottie West died in a car she should never have been in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post-35323914275621364582011-09-11T21:20:43.541-04:002011-09-11T21:20:43.541-04:00The one thing that I remember and what made me sad...The one thing that I remember and what made me sad about the Dottie West situation and IRS auction, was seeing the film footage of her "fans" going through all her personal items like it was a flea market sale. You work all of your life and it all comes down to that. <br /><br />The point about Willie Nelson is well taken, His situation became something of a national joke, in the sense that you had Willie's "IRS Tapes" that he was selling on late night television, and even today with Jimmy Dickens introducing himself as "Willie Nelson After Taxes."<br /><br />I also remember reading about Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings and many others helping to pay for George Jones to go through rehab, not once, but several times. <br /><br />I never saw Dottie in concert, but I did see her in her final years at the Opry. She always drew a big ovation and was always dressed to the hilt. I also seem to remember her being on a lot of Hank Snow segments, and he always did a fine introduction of Dottie. <br /><br />Dottie made some unfortunate decisions in her life that came back to haunt her, but she did not deserve the public humiliation that took place. You trust your managers, accountants, etc, to make the right decisions for you, but when they don't, they run and hide and the performer is left holding the bag. And I do have to agree, where were her fellow performers to help her out? Maybe they did in some way, I don't have the answer to that one. <br /><br />Her life didn't have to end the way it did.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post-24540955233214363962011-09-11T12:46:52.158-04:002011-09-11T12:46:52.158-04:00Michael Kris Kristofferson lived with Dottie for a...Michael Kris Kristofferson lived with Dottie for a while and even wrote help me make it through the night and for the good times in her basement.<br /><br />Bottom line is they should be ashamed, I understand they would have went broke if they withdrew a large amount of money because they would be taxed mercilessly but no one did benefits or anything for her.<br /><br />KathleenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post-21481722237780521692011-09-11T00:33:37.783-04:002011-09-11T00:33:37.783-04:00Kathleen, I didn't--and of course don't--k...Kathleen, I didn't--and of course don't--know all of the circumstances surrounding what happened to Dottie West. But I remember thinking at the time, if she had all of these financial problems, where were all of the people she had known and worked with and helped. She was kind of a mother hen to a lot of the young Nashville songwriters. Where were they? Am I wrong on this?Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01998867386294693956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post-6915964843368198512011-09-10T21:09:40.598-04:002011-09-10T21:09:40.598-04:00I'm the one who first poested about Dottie Wes...I'm the one who first poested about Dottie West, The people that managed her money made a string of bad investments and the IRS where looking for back taxes, Dottie was'nt told until they were looking to reposses everything and she thought she could try and pay it back.<br /><br />Dottie was raised desperatly poor in a dysfunctional family so it is natural that she would hide some of her things, the bottom line is Dottie went into complete denial and the only reason the things where found is because someone reported her, now is that fair when she was having a tough time of it.<br /><br />But what annoys me is Willie Nelson and Dottie West went bankcrupt at the exact same time and both had auctions when Willie's auction was happening everyone flocked to but his things back for everyone that Dottie helped over the years abandoned her, that spoor Lady had to sleep in her tour bus in a shopping mall Parking lot until she moved into her apartment.<br /><br />Kenny Rogers gave her a beat out old car on loan and it stalled (and yes it was on loan from a car dealership), so she accepted a ride and the crash happened and unfortunaltley she died. Could the opry not have sent a cab or could someone not have collected her so much for country music being a big family.<br /><br />Yes Dottie's recording career tanked after 1984 but she was very popular on the road and drew in big crowds and tickets were'nt cheap, I personally seen her perform in 1988 to a packed audience. But would it not be nice now after 20 years if Dottie could be remembered more all her so called friends have barely mentioned her over the years and Dottie does'nt get credit for accomplishments and it's about damn time she was put into the hall of fame.<br /><br />KathleenAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post-84512188447437341882011-09-05T20:20:27.258-04:002011-09-05T20:20:27.258-04:00It IS sad, and while I don't KNOW this, I susp...It IS sad, and while I don't KNOW this, I suspect part of Dottie's problem may have been that she was no longer so big a star as she had been, but she may still have been living like one without the means.<br /><br />Bill Monroe had lean years in the 1950s and early 1960s when his star was very much in eclipse, so I don't know about him with investments. But one of the reasons Lester and Earl left him was that Earl was, I believe, the only Bluegrass Boy who had finished high school, so Mr. Monroe had him handle the money--so Earl knew just how much he actually was making in those days. But there's the story that he told Earl to go to the bank and get money, and Earl asked how much. He replied, "Two bags."Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01998867386294693956noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post-32411316683470576392011-09-05T18:06:24.391-04:002011-09-05T18:06:24.391-04:00Thank you, Byron. Sad, indeed, to win showbiz succ...Thank you, Byron. Sad, indeed, to win showbiz success -- we all know what the odds are like -- only to shipwreck in the end over what amounts to business math.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post-28647215771688425782011-09-05T15:04:20.290-04:002011-09-05T15:04:20.290-04:00Fred, the bottom line is that Dottie did not pay h...Fred, the bottom line is that Dottie did not pay her taxes and the IRS came after her. They took everything she had and auctioned it off to settle their debt. To make it worse for Dottie, they caught her hiding a number of valuble items.<br /><br />And add it to the fact that Dottie was on the tail end of her career and was not bringing in the money that she once did, and she was living well and spending lots of cash, it creates a problem. <br /><br />What is really sad about all of this is that she was not the first country music entertainer to have issues with taxes and the IRS. I am not saying this about Dottie, as I never met her, but many of the earlier stars in country music were not that bright. Many had left school early to play music and earn a living. They did not really know about tracking their income and expenses and did not file or pay taxes. <br /><br />Most were paid in cash (usually in brown paper bags), and those who could afford to, hired accountants and bookkeepers to take care of these things. But, many of these accountants did not do their job and as a result, you had what happened to Dottie. <br /><br />I can easily name a dozen country music Hall of Fame members who had this happen to them, including Willie Nelson. The bottom line is that it was a very sad situation that never should have happened.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post-88214637341303422012011-09-05T12:35:29.850-04:002011-09-05T12:35:29.850-04:00Fred in Bismarck here:
How did Dottie get in such...Fred in Bismarck here:<br /><br />How did Dottie get in such bad shape, Anon? One would think she still had plenty coming in, between royalties and concerts, at the end. Bad investments? I know these bit a lot of folks who should have been well-off otherwise, two examples I can think of being Bob Wills and Bill Monroe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post-30726094465072075412011-09-05T10:59:35.495-04:002011-09-05T10:59:35.495-04:00That was a very nice thing that Dolly did for Carl...That was a very nice thing that Dolly did for Carl and Pearl It's just a shame no one did that for Dottie West who also helped a lot of people, that poor woman died in near penniless and lost everything.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post-50696302960539247632011-09-05T06:37:57.144-04:002011-09-05T06:37:57.144-04:00Fred in Bismarck here: That was me -- or I had bet...Fred in Bismarck here: That was me -- or I had better say 'I' -- above. Thanks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post-37702671780403634512011-09-05T06:35:33.261-04:002011-09-05T06:35:33.261-04:00And me also of good old E.T. in his later years, w...And me also of good old E.T. in his later years, when approximately the right note was good enough, just so it was loud and heartfelt. I think of Carl and Pearl singing, for instance, "Mrs. Right Has Married Mr. Wrong." (The "Mrs." pronounced "Miss-rus.")<br /><br />My favorite Butler title, as title -- for its wonderfully mangled grammar -- is "If You Were Her and He Was Me," on their Old & New album. (They didn't write it, only sang it.)<br /><br />Those were the days, boys, and they ain't coming back!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6344993590139159352.post-23513061011004103232011-09-04T12:13:42.636-04:002011-09-04T12:13:42.636-04:00Thank YOU. What great singers they were!
I love ...Thank YOU. What great singers they were!<br /><br />I love the story about Dolly, for another reason. When she made that 1959 appearance, it was Jimmy C. Newman who gave up a song for her to be able to sing on stage. He always has said that he doesn't remember doing it. But she ALWAYS has remembered it, and made a point of saying so. While I criticize Dolly for appearing too infrequently on the Opry, she DOES remember, and I give her a lot of credit for that.<br /><br />Carl Butler always reminded me of Roy Acuff, and of course he's another East Tennesseean. They know how to sing well and loud over there!Michaelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01998867386294693956noreply@blogger.com